AEW/WWE Double Standards & Indie Drama Alert

This week the guys cover two main show topics. The first is about the current drama among indie wrestlers mainly the Avery Styles/GCW drama and Produce Wrestling/Joey Janela stuff. The second topics goes into the double standards in wrestling among AEW and WWE fan bases. No matter which company you enjoy, there will never be a general consensus on how wrestling fans feel about one or the other. Enjoy!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

What's up guys? Welcome back to another episode of the Three Stages of the Marks podcast. This is episode 30. This is like a mini milestone for us. But as always, your three marks are here. Shay, we got Brooks and Ryan's here as well. How are we doing this week, guys?

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Phenomenal. Great week. Yep, I'm doing. Same old, same old.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

Hey, can't complain, right? Alright. So this week we have two topics. We have two topics that we think are going to be really, really good. Um, I feel like we should like share what they are before the episode starts. So Ryan's gonna cover one topic, and then Brooks and myself are we're gonna cover the second topic, but we're gonna go over indie wrestling drama, why companies can't work together, and then we're gonna talk about double standards between AEW and WWE from a fan perspective. So I think these are gonna be two really good topics. So I'm gonna hand the reins over to Ryan, and uh you can get us started for today.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

So I was thinking a couple days ago, I went, I've literally gone to two indie promotions in Orlando in the last like week, and I'm like, there's just so much talent. Like, why can't there's so much talent? Not just I just wanted to say in Florida, but there's a lot of promotions in Florida. Why can't they all just work together to host one big you know event weekend? You know how like GCW does the collective, um, especially with WrestleMania not being in the States next year, and there's always a lot of indie wrestling going on wherever WrestleMania tends to be, even though there is WWE events going on in New York City next next year for WrestleMania weekend, wouldn't it be a thing if all like a bunch of like more of the top indie promotions could work together to host one big event thing? I know GCW does, they work with like stardom and they work with um some other uh promotions as well. But what if everyone can just get along to host one big thing, and now another thing why I'm saying why they can't get along. I mentioned this a few weeks ago, produce wrestling. Some drama has been coming out of produce wrestling with uh some of the talent working there and GCW, specifically GCW talent, um getting into it with produce wrestling, the produce wrestling owner and stuff. There's just a lot of drama on the on the indie scene. And now it makes it think like nobody wants to work with this promotion. Now I'm not sure. I know we talked about this in our little group chat, Brooke, between me, Brooks, and Shay. Um Joey Janella got into with produce wrestling, and also we're gonna talk about Avery Styles and uh what was it? What was his name that called out Avery Styles, if you can remember Brooks? Uh no.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Eric Cannon.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

Eric Cannon um called out Avery Styles for not, I guess, helping break down the ring. And that's like help break help cleaning up and help breaking down the ring, and I guess like he I don't know, there was just like just because his dad's AJ Styles thinks the guy thinks he can like get away with certain things, it's like for one, I guess Avery Styles wasn't paid to clean up the ring, he was just paid to wrestle. And and Canon thinks like he just has to pay his dues, and I mean yes and no. Also, I'm not in the business, so I really can't say, and I know Shay could probably touch on that topic with about who can who helps clean up the ring and whatnot.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

So let me let me reel it in for you for uh here. So let's let's tackle one item at a time. Yeah, let's tackle one at a time. So let's start with produce wrestling. So tell us like what you know about the produce piece, and then we can kind of talk it through.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

So for those who don't know, produce wrestling is it's a promotion by Orange Crush. They've been they've been they've run a few shows. Um they let, I guess, some of the bigger talent, I guess, literally produce the whole show. A certain show, like uh Jonathan Gresham just put uh produced a show, and Rock and Romero just produced a show for him. So they could they kind of run it in their own way. But recently, Joey Janela got into it with the owner because I guess Joey Janela missed his flight, and I guess he couldn't make another flight, so Produce Wrestling like just said, Oh, we don't want to work with you anymore, and they kind of just like threw him under the bus. Well, Joey Janela threw some shit out there too about Produce Wrestling, about how um Produce Wrestling said I guess they told Marcus Mathers to rip up his WID contract, and Joey Janela is like sharing all this all this stuff, and and now um Steph DeLander and Mance Warner won't be working with Produce Wrestling either. Not sure if that has some ties in it, but there was just a lot of back and forth between both promotions, and some people are thinking it could be a work now, which I don't know how it could be seen as a work at that case, with all that it's literally a lot of drama with all that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

So do you think that they wanted Mathers to rip up his ID contract like during a show?

SPEAKER_01 5:43

Possibly, and that'd be that would be a huge mistake if he did.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Because I'm I'm thinking that maybe Produce Wrestling wanted to do something edgy uh to shock the people and get some buzz around them, so they wanted him to maybe do that in the ring for some social media views.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Yeah, but that's there's certain I I mean, me personally, there's certain things you should do for views, and there's certain things you shouldn't do for views. And for Marcus Mathers being as young as he is, he's only like 22, 23, being tech technically being signed by the B, not fully being signed, but still he's got his foot in the door. I wouldn't risk jeopardizing that. And I'm pretty sure Joey Janelle even sees it because Marcus Mathers is young, he's been around for literally like about seven years or so. We've been seeing him wrestle or six years or whatever. And if he were to do something that edgy, he would screw himself.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Yeah, possibly. I mean, I feel like in 2026 there is like no ends to what people will do for a couple clicks, right?

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Yeah, but you don't risk your chance at WWE for that.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

Yeah, I'm I'm not speaking for Mathers himself, speaking from the promoter side. Like, I don't think they they're looking out for their their talent, they're just trying to get some some clout, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:07

And that kind of feed kind of feeds into the getting along thing. There's too many carny promoters out there, like yeah, they're that are don't care about the talent, don't care about working with each other, they're just trying to pad their own pockets, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:20

And then that's where I've also even thought about it's like some people just out there just want to make some money. It's like I get that, but man, the there's the the the wrestling world is so big right now. If you if you look about how many states have like their own set promotions that are they're running shows once or twice a month, there's just so much wrestling anywhere you go, and some people are just doing it for the money, some people don't care about anyone else but themselves, and that's fine. But if you think about it, how much more money they could possibly make, or just how much more like attraction they can bring to their own promotion if they run it like a massive show, if they get a big collab show going on, or a collab weekend event, especially here in here in Florida, man, there's some big promotions that could definitely tackle something like that.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

But on the flip side of that, some of them don't want to get but so big because then it's easier to expose the shadiness that they're pulling.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Ooh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:20

Yeah, you have a lot of like greedy people out there, people who don't have everybody's best interest in mind, and that's why everybody can't work together.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

So I'm I'm not gonna name drop this promotion or the the promoter, but there is a promotion here in Florida, they run shows every so like about once or twice a month, twice um every like two months or so, they run like a show or two, and they are probably like the second or third biggest promotion in Florida. Um, but there's always like they always try and promote something big, and they're like, Oh, I got former AEW talent coming, or I got former W talent coming, and it's like the smallest names ever. Or they they try and hype it up, and it's not I'm not saying like it's not good, but they hype it up as something big, and then someone always cancels. Like, I went to a show like last year just specifically to see Nick Gage, and Nick Gage knows showed the show. I'm not sure if it was a Nick Gage issue, I'm not sure if it was a promoter issue, but not saying it was a Nick Gage issue, but there's always someone who cancels. Like Mr. Anderson canceled an appearance with this promotion before, and he gets all these big names, and most time someone cancels like every single show. One of their big names always cancels before the show, and it's like this guy's gonna be getting a bad rep for signing some of these big names, and they cancel right before the show because people buy tickets to see some of these bigger names that they don't really see that often.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

And typically with that, it's hey, we're gonna guarantee you this much money for this show, and their plan is, oh, this this name will sell enough tickets for me to pay that person, and then they don't, and then they they can't pay them, so the people cancel.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

Um, there was also another thing I want to talk about on that produce wrestling topic. They they stated like publicly, if uh any wrestler cancels their appearance without good reasoning, or if like if they get booked elsewhere and it's not like a full-on contract, then produce wrestling will not work with you anymore.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

Ooh, because they're the only indie promotion in the United States. Come on now, stop.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

And that's that could burn some bridges right off the bat, and that could all it's like you can't you can't predict what can happen. Like, was the they they are also announcing shows like months in advance, like they already have shows booked through the rest of the year, I think, like venues and everything, but still you can't ex like unfortunate things happen. Like, I know Joey Janelle's been like he's had some shit in the past, but like Joey Janelles tries to look out for other people, looking out for Marcus Mathers for one, but I guess his flight got canceled, and uh just because he didn't want to guess book another flight or something, he canceled his appearance altogether, and it started that whole drama with Produce Wrestling and them calling them out. I think Brett Lauderdale got involved too, or something, because 'cause of the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

And so my understanding is his first flight got canceled. The Produce guy was like, Alright, I can get you this flight, but it was like like three layovers or something along the way. It was like a instead of a straight shot, it was he had to go to one place up north and then one place down south, and then one place up north just to try to get to the flight to him. And he was like, No, that's not worth all that. I'm gonna the amount of money you're gonna pay me for this is not worth the amount of time it's gonna take me to have to spend in layovers and stuff. So then he was like, if you can find me a better flight and I'm still coming, and then the guy was like, Nope, you either take that or you're not working.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Yeah, see, that's I don't know how to feel about that. That one that would rub me the wrong way a little bit. Because if you want to want to be a promoter and an owner or whatever you want to be, like you gotta try and work with some of this talent. You can't just unfortunate things happen.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

But you can also look back to you know, even 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago, a talent would do whatever they had to do to get to a show.

SPEAKER_01 12:28

That's also true.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

There was no excuse of, oh, I don't want to take that flight. They would get in the car and drive you know a thousand miles to work for 20 bucks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

So it's like the I think I think we hear stories about that all the time. Like, I'd sleep in my car and I'll drive this just to go to the next town over, sleep in my car and work for $20 and a hot dog.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

Like so like some people just just show that they don't have that drive to to make sure they get there no matter what.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

But uh I was like I said I was thinking about it. It's like I w I just wish like a lot of promotions could work together though, and host some big things, like how GCW runs the collective. And if you think about it, there's just a lot of there could they they could m make something happen, but I don't I just wish they could work together. I know I know it would be a money issue for some promotions to even do something like that. Not every promotion has the same amount of money or same amount of funds to be working with.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Yeah, so and then you get in the drama of how do we split the money and all the yeah, that would be a huge issue too.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

You got anything to chime in on that, Shay?

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

No? We can we can hop into uh the double standards if you guys want to cover Avery. We didn't, that's right. I'm sorry. Oh my lord. So Avery we Avery Styles just worked uh two matches for GCW, one during a Minneapolis uh weekend, and he got called out by Eric Cannon for not cleaning up or anything like that, staying after the show helping cleaning up, and Avery was paid to wrestle and not paid to clean up. I'm assuming they have a cleanup crew, or there's probably certain wrestlers that offer to clean up. So AJ Styles had to defend his son. Brett Lauderdale also came out and said we really can't comment, but we also paid him to work and not clean up. Um so that's the promoter saying that too. That but there's also some people that that is also like a two-way, that's like a two-way street right there. That's like you can either help clean up, but also not. I mean, I don't know, Shay would probably have more of a like an an opinion on this one.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

Don't talk to me like I'm an expert.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

I mean, you've been in the business a little bit, you know what it's like.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

We use the example Shay used the other day. When when you were at whatever Maryland Championship Wrestling, was that what it was? Whatever wrestling. At one point, yeah. And they brought in uh Adam Cole or whoever. Adam Cole didn't help claim or take the ring down, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:17

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

I say, but your local people, your everyday for that promotion people, y'all were responsible for it.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

There you go. That that in itself answers the question of that.

SPEAKER_00 15:33

Well, so it's it's a bit deeper than that though. Like you can use that as an example, yes. And I think a lot of other talent that have come up in the independent scene will say the same thing, right? When you uh come in as a semi-name, you know, coming up through the ranks, a lot of those guys are not the folks that are helping to set up the ring. Uh, they're not helping to like set up the chairs and stuff. Like thinking about guys like um like Drew Gulag, for example, who was coming up through the ranks, or like uh a Joe Gacy. Um uh shoot, what is the Latin guy's name that used to work CZW? I can't think of his name, but a lot of those guys would come up and they would do shows and correct, they would not come in and they would not assist in setting up the ring. That was typically like the student's responsibility and things like that, right? Now, with Avery Styles, in my opinion, he is like soaking wet in the business, like he has done like nothing in the business, like literally, he's like a few matches in, right? So I think with a lot of the vets, uh, what they're thinking is that okay, he has this advantage because he's the son of a legend, right? So we expect that he's should have this mentality where he should want to help, he should want to ask the promoters, is there anything that I can help with? And I think that's where Eric Cannon is kind of losing uh the the battle with AJ Styles and and and other people that have been in the indies or and are now, I guess, professionals. Um is that Avery isn't showing like the attitude to like want to help. But I mean he doesn't know Avery Styles, he knows nothing about the kid other than he came to a show that he was paid for and and didn't help set up, right? So he's like basing his opinion on him off of like one interaction, which I think is kind of wrong. But on on the same token, I don't think AJ should be hopping on social media and arguing with the guy. I think that's just stupid, in my opinion. I know I get I get it's his son, but his son's a grown adult at this point. Yeah, just use it as like a a a coaching moment and talk to him about it and let's move on. Eric Cannon's just being a baby.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

Yeah, I I think something like that, you shouldn't blast on the internet, dude. He's also getting into the business, like you don't just say that right off the bat. Like now Avery probably feels like an asshole and or stupid, but like if you would have pulled him aside and be like, hey man, like such and such, like don't you shouldn't have to blast him like that on social media. Like I know people just use social media for anything these days just to get their get whatever they have to get out like out there, but there's no need for that. Yeah like I wouldn't if I if I had if I felt indifferent about one of you guys, I wouldn't sit here and blast on social media.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

Oh, I'm talking for you on socials, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Gosh. Yeah, but I mean clearly, clearly, Avery Styles is leaps and bounds ahead of a lot of talents that are in his same position, right? He clearly has a knack for this. He's athletic, he has a look, he's going to be a a standout star, right? So, I mean, I get where Eric Cannon's coming from, seeing what I've seen in my time previously, but at the same time, I mean, we're in 2026, right? Things are not the same, and not everybody's road is gonna be the same either. So if if he's paid to come into a show and he's the featured name or one of the featured names, like you you don't expect him to hop in. Like he may come up and and volunteer, but he's not obligated to to do that either.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

So I was gonna say the same thing about the the difference in the time the Eric guys been in wrestling for what 20 years now. I think is what they said. He's a 20-year vet now.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

So like the the difference, and we hear like the undertakers talk about this all the time. The difference in now and then and the how they paid the dues back then, they don't have to do it so much now. It's it's just the difference in the time frame.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

Yeah, some somebody made a comment, and I want to say it was on a Facebook page because Lexus King uh spoke out spoke out about it, and he basically said that he was treated like royalty in the indies, you know, all the way up until he made it to NXT. And that was like the first time that he had to do any type of ring crew anything, was when he made it to NXT, and somebody responded and is like, well, clearly he wasn't treated like royalty in the indies, because if he was, he would have been a world champion, and I had to respond to it. I was like, those are like two mutually exclusive things, like just because you're not treated as like the top guy in an indie promotion doesn't mean that you can't be treated differently from everybody else. Like, I'm sure an indie promoter will allow uh a kid with a name to come in so that they can, you know, sell some extra tickets on their name. Doesn't mean you're being pushed to the moon, just means that hey, I have the son of such and such on my show. Like, come to my show and then you pay them and then you move on.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

I also think that that uh Lexus King's thing was partially in gimmick.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

You think so?

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Yeah, because he he kept putting the birthright stuff in there and it was it was partially in gimmick, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

I mean, I I also still kind of look at it. There's there's been talks about how the promotions in like Tennessee and Georgia that he's worked for quite a bit on his way up for Avery. That he does help do the rings and stuff there. But those are his I guess how they Consider it his home promotions.

unknown 22:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

Like I'm like I said there's a difference between doing it in your home promotion and being a guest somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Like I said, I'm sure he does do it. I'm sure he's not opposed to doing it, right? They just picked out this like one instance of him not, you know, helping. It's like, okay. Like even when like we were no names back in you know 2011, 2012, like when we would hop on the road and we would go up to like um there was a company called WXW that I would drive up with my buddy, and that was Samuel Wild Samoan's promotion in PA. And we would go in and we would do some of his shows, maybe nothing large, right? We'll do like a Battle Roy or something like that. And we didn't go out and help them set up chairs, take down chairs, do anything, and nobody complained to us. For I mean, nobody knew who the heck we were, just went up there and just wanted to work. That's all.

unknown 22:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

But all right, uh, let's move on to uh topic number two. So the the double standards between AW and the WWE. This has been a topic that we've kind of tabled for at least 10 episodes, I want to say now.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

Yeah, we've pretty much we I think we first said we should do this topic before we even decided to re or start the podcast back up. Gotcha. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

Yeah, so we have a we have a we have a list of nine items, just typical things that we either see or people will say when one company does something over another. And for the most part, Brooks is probably going to air on the end of the WWE fan, and then I'm probably gonna air on the side of the AEW end, probably, uh, because WWE Creative is like really making me upset right now. And then I don't know where Ryan's gonna stand, but let's go ahead, let's go ahead and get started with uh number one. So, number one is that when the WWE signs talent, uh the idea wait, Brooks, you explain that one. You explain that one.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

So it's it's when WWE signs former AEW talent, the I guess the WWE fans overall look at it as oh, this is a huge pickup, they were wasted over there. While on the flip side, when AEW signs an ex WWE talent, it kind of gets that LOL TNA mentality of oh, here they come go bringing in another WWE guy. They were supposed to be the alternative, but here's another WWE guy.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

So I think I think this comes down to I don't know with this one because presentation matters a lot. Yes, in my opinion. Like Cody coming in was like massive. They gave him a really big stage to do that. Uh down to like Ethan Page and NXT. I felt like the presentation of his arrival was handled really well. So it's like two ends of the spectrum, right? Somebody who was given the highest of the high, and then somebody who was given like a low and then worked their way up. And then on the AW side, it's not always done with care. I feel like a lot of people come into AW and they're either just thrown into a faction, or they come in, yeah, they come in and they take a bunch of losses, and then maybe they make their way onto like a main roster spot. I'm thinking of people like Isla Don, uh, who came in and they just like pretty much like job her out, or Lacey Lane, who came in and they just like kind of jobbed her out, gave them decent matches, but never gave them anything of significance because you know their roster's so freaking huge, there's just not space for everybody. But what do you think?

SPEAKER_02 26:11

I think there isn't a legitimate difference in the way that they pick up talents from each other. AEW, I think, picks up too many WWE guys, which is why they get that LOL TNA reaction. It's I mean, they never needed to sign Big Cass or I don't know. There's uh uh Tony Nees and Devari are still over there.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Oh, Arya Divari, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

There was no reason to sign those guys, they're not going to help your product very much, and that's why those guys are stuck in ROH. Yeah, I was gonna say they're stuck in ROH right now.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

See, but but you need guys for ROH.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

You do, but I'm saying but but they already have such a huge roster as it is of people they're not using. So why are you not using them in ROH?

SPEAKER_00 27:01

Wait, like who?

SPEAKER_02 27:02

They've got a million people on their roster. We just thought about how they can't get everybody on TV.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

See, but so I've I've I've learned I've learned that in order for you to see everybody on the AW roster, you have to watch Dynamite and Collision and Ring of Honor. You literally have to watch all three because if you don't, you will miss half the roster.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

Yeah, and they still have too many people on the roster.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

But but WWE on the flip side seems to let let these people that they're signing from AEW, they they watch them as much as they say they don't watch AEW. They clearly watch the talent over there and watch who's getting good reactions and then not being booked enough, I guess. And then they seem to cherry pick the ones that they want when they become available.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

I agree with the exception of Big Cass. They shouldn't have signed him back either.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

Uh I don't know. I mean, so I liked I liked Big Bill and AEW because they don't have a lot of big guys.

SPEAKER_02 28:10

Right. He and I guess that is the the one thing he had going for him there, is he definitely stood out compared to everybody else size-wise.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

Then you get the the people like Andrade that are back and forth and back and forth.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

He's been back and forth more than anybody. True.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

He's like the Cody's probably what the is definitely the biggest name they've taken from over there. And then they've kind of used them, it's it seems like WB has sort of used them as development for getting them TV ready for some of the other people they've fluffed. The James and Ego and Lexus King. It's like, all right, we've got some TV experience now. Now let's just pull them over into our system and and make them the way we want them to be.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

But it's but it there don't don't forget a lot of new Japan guys have gone to AEW too. Yep. Like Kyle Fletcher and Will Ospreay, technically Kenny Omega, even though Kenny Omega was a day one or an AEW, but just a list of few.

SPEAKER_02 29:15

I mean, if you look at all the AEW originals were New Japan or Rainbow, well the majority of them. There was the ones that were just straight indie guys, but that's why I still say to this day it's it's a giant indie promotion, the world's largest indie promotion. Because they just pull from everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Alright. What's our next what's our next double standard?

SPEAKER_02 29:43

Uh AEW using older wrestlers. How AEW gets the reaction of, yay, they're they're showing these guys respect, they're they're using these older talents while WWE gets the oh, it's a retirement home. It's the same people, same old folks all the time. To me, a prime example of this was at the end of Edge's WWE run, people were starting to get the oh, it's time for him to retire again. He's old, he doesn't need to be doing this, and then he goes to AEW and they're like, Woo-hoo, Cope's here, yay! All the time. So there's I mean, there's definitely examples like Sting as an example where AEW 100% used him like they should have, while WWE did not. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

So I think it was pretty clear that when Cope went to AEW, that everybody was looking forward to the reunion between him and Christian.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Right? That's that's everything that everybody wanted to see, and if they were able to see that, everything was good. And I think and I think for the WWE fans, a lot of them wounded up being upset when they brought Edge back and had him win the rumble, but then had him and Daniel Bryan get double penned by Roman Reigns at WrestleMania.

unknown 31:08

Right.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

But even the uh okay, we'll use Big Show as an example. Ten years ago, however long many years ago it was now, the please retire chance for him. And then AEW fans were excited when he showed up there.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

No, they were not.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

Yeah, they were. Heck no, they may not have been excited for him in the match, but they were excited that he was part of the company.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

I don't know if I agree with that one. I don't know. I don't know either. No.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

I was more excited when Mark Henry got announced for AEW and they didn't do barely anything with Mark Henry.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

True. True.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Because I actually like Mark Henry, he's a badass.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

Yeah. I don't like I don't I don't know. I don't know because I think it is uh it's very clear that when AEW books like older uh WWE legends, like it's always for a feel-good moment.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Normally, yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

Yeah. Um like you know, because AW, that's how they book their wrestling. They book feel-good wrestling. Like with if somebody's in their hometown, more than likely they're going to win. Um, it's always about making the crowd happy, not necessarily getting the heat on the heels. Where with WWE, sometimes they will take the the air from out of you and give you like a moment that you hate. Um, I don't AEW doesn't do a lot of that. And if they do do it, it's usually with a heel that everybody loves, like MJF.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

Right.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

So they still cheer either way.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

Correct. Correct.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

WWE probably takes the the air out of the crowd a little too often at this point.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

Yeah. And I wanted to chime in on that before we moved on to the next double standard. Um, especially with like Cope. Uh he got like 10 years of his career taken away, and a lot of people weren't ready for him to retire. So I think us having at least like how long has he been back for? Was it 2020 he came back? So, you know, he's probably gonna retire over the next year or two. So it's probably like around the time that he's been gone is we're gonna get that time we've gotten back. So a lot of people are probably excited to see at least Cope finish out his career, I guess, somewhat where he how he wanted to, because he did get nine years of his career taken away. So I guess that's like a valid older wrestler for us to be like, okay, we can we can accept this, but guys like Goldberg that we weren't excited for, and I mean AJ. I mean, we were excited, we we weren't excited to see AJ retire, let's be real.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

They they still did Goldberg dirty, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

Oh yeah. I mean, I'm not a biggest Goldberg fan, but he did get done dirty.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

And while I guess it's the the mark side of me is is anytime Goldberg was announced, I was like, oh, I'm tuning in. I want to see Goldberg. And then once the and then once the entrance was over, I was like, okay, I'm good. You can take them off. That's all I needed to see. I'm good.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

That's funny. Okay. Uh okay, number three.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

So a lot of a lot of the internet community that's anti-AEW will say the um that AEW is garbage wrestling because of the amount of blood, while WBE is when they have their moments of blood, it's like, yay, this has been missing. They want more blood. Yeah, that's a double standard, but also I think that one comes down to how often it happens. Like, for example, Moxley bleeding almost every match, kind of takes the specialty away from it. While WWE, it's very rare to see it. So when it does happen, it's like, oh, this is you know worth buying into because we weren't expecting that.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Yeah, that's what I was like telling Shay during like the Brock and Oba match. I'm like, this match needs blood.

unknown 35:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

But they didn't, and and then I don't care if anyone disagrees with me because it was a hell in a cell match for one, and it didn't even feel like a hell in a cell match. I'm like, Brock should have took a damn bump to where he gets busted open. As soon as they went out to the outside of the ring and oba threw Brock and shit, he should have like got busted open or something. I don't know. Some matches do need blood, some of them don't.

SPEAKER_02 35:37

And or alternatively, if Brock had gone with the elbows to the head, like he did to Orton back in the day.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:44

And and made Oba bleed, and then Oba still came back and won, that would have added even more to Oba's moment.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

Yeah. Like look like like I don't want to go too off topic, but like the like the the El Grande match, dude, and Chad Gable is just leaking blood. I'm like, this is this is a story right here, man. He's cutting a promo with blood still flowing from his head. I'm like, this is a real match right here.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

Right. So that blood added to it because it was a special thing in WW when you don't see that very often. But again, in AEW, it happens all the time. So I I I actually get this double standard because there's the variables to it, Shay.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

Hmm. AEW uses blood a lot.

SPEAKER_02 36:30

Yes, they do.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

Right? And it doesn't always add to the match, although a lot of AW fans think that it does. Sometimes it's just overkill. Especially when it's with like the females. Like when it was what what what was that match with Sky Blue and was it Sky Blue and Julia Hart and the tag match?

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Versus was it Tay and Tay and Jay? Anna Jay and Tay no, that was uh Penelope Ford and you're talking about like the the street fight they did, right?

SPEAKER_00 37:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:04

So there was one in particular, Penelope Ford and somebody versus Tay Mello and Anna Jay. But Penelope Ford was freaking leaking. They were all bloody, actually, I think. But I do remember I can't remember the sky blue one though. But there was that women's uh what are the what do they call NA? Oh blood and guts where Sky Blue was literally covered in blood. They did it like last year or whatever, it was like late last year. Sky Blue, like yeah, she was like offered in blood, like right off rip or something.

SPEAKER_02 37:40

But again, if you save the blood for matches like blood and guts, then it means more. Yeah. It shows how brutal that match is compared to Mox bleeding in a one-on-one match after two minutes. True. Like you're s it it if you use blood correctly, it helps separate what's supposed to be a big deal brutal match from a standard match.

SPEAKER_00 38:09

And then on the WWE side, when they do allow blood, it does feel special because they don't do it as often.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

Until ESPN blurs it out.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

Correct. Um, but but I do I don't know. It seems like sometimes you either get too much of something or you get too little of something, and then there's rarely uh a midpoint where everything is just right in wrestling, and we just haven't gotten to that point. I don't know if we ever will. I think AW is always going to be the I don't I don't want to say bloodthirsty, but I mean the fans are bloodthirsty. Like that's what they like, that's what they enjoy, that's what makes a match more uh exciting for them. And then on the WWE side, everybody's like, oh, it's too soft, everything's changed, uh they don't do it enough, there's just no middle ground.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

It's to me, the AEW side is just when there's gonna be blood, make it make sense. Like a lot of AEW fans want that ECW style of bleeding, but at least when ECW bled, they did brutal things to make you bleed. Yeah, they didn't you weren't just uh getting punched in the head once and bleeding, like some of the people in AEW. I mean, unless you're Ric Flair, Rick Flair just could get punched once and immediately bleed because he had no skin left on the floor and bladed 100 too many times.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

What's next?

SPEAKER_02 39:44

Uh the throwing out random matches. So it seems like when AEW throws out a random match, they get praised for things not being predictable. And I guess the same could be said for people winning certain matches as things aren't predictable. But if WWE throws out a random match, it's like where's the story at? Why why is this just a random throwaway match on TV? What's the point of this?

SPEAKER_00 40:10

So I blame the WWE standard.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

Yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

Because that's what WWE fans look for, they look for story behind everything that they do.

SPEAKER_02 40:22

17 rematches in a row.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

The unpredictability factor is pretty much gone. Like you know what you're getting when you watch a Raw or SmackDown. I mean, you can stop watching either show for a month and still know what the heck is going on.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

That's and and I think that's the difference. And at this point, WWE is is focused on making a television product while AEW is focused on making a wrestling product.

SPEAKER_03 40:51

Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

WWE is like, okay, we we want you to be able to miss several weeks and pick it right back up and know what's going on. Right. And AEW, you miss a couple weeks and you've completely lost everything that's happened. Uh I guess the next one is the double standards of the companies taking shots at each other.

SPEAKER_00 41:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

If AEW takes a shot at WWE, it's like, oh, they're so obsessed, they have to keep bringing up WWE for success for themselves. While if WWE takes a shot at at AEW, it's oh that's funny, or oh, they got them good, or whatever the case may be.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

How do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_02 41:27

Uh I think I think that the the saying that, oh that's funny, or oh that's that's good, whatever the the reaction to WWE taking shots is not the correct response. Um I think it's the why are you wasting your time should be the response to that. Uh Jeff Jarrett once said that it makes sense for when he was running TNA, he's like, it made sense for TNA to take shots at WWE. We were punching up.

unknown 41:54

Right.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

It made no sense for WWE to take shots back. Why would they punch down and lower themselves? Right.

SPEAKER_00 42:01

And that's true. Yep. Like if you're on the top, like you have no reason to step down.

SPEAKER_02 42:07

Right. I mean, and AEW has gotten better about not doing it all the time. There was a stretch where they were doing it far too often. They were where it lost the impact. No pun intended.

SPEAKER_03 42:20

Right.

SPEAKER_02 42:21

But like now, if they were to do it now and just you know throw it in once every or every once in a while, then it would land, it would hit the mark, it would be fine. Definitely have to get away from the the doing it all the time like they were early on. But I guess that's probably also why WWE fans think it's funny when they do take a shot, because they rarely take a shot. And yeah, it's a little more subtle. It's not like a W flat out saying WWE or Vince McMahon or Triple H or whatever. Like the what was that segment with Cody and Ethan Page and Sean Spears backstage, and he said, uh, oh, y'all are where you need to be, or something. Right. This looks good on or this place looks good on you, something along those lines. That was subtle. It wasn't a flat out name-dropping AEW. If you knew, you knew. If you didn't know, you didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

I remember like, I'm not sure if you guys remember that segment between like Seth, or it was like Sammy Zayn. He's like on Raw. He's getting interviewed by like wrestling fans, and Sami Zayn's like, you could have asked me about anything. You could have asked me about AEW.

SPEAKER_02 43:34

I was like, oh but see that that at the time they were they were not mentioning AEW at all. No, so it it was effective because of the just one shot, get past it kind of thing. Then you have like Triple H saying, I'll buy that, or we can buy that pissant comp company and fire you again. That's uh that was a lowering yourself kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

the the same reference was a you know a shock value nobody was expecting that and then i remember i remember vividly uh edge kind of mentioned when uh he he was in a feud with the Miz and he talked about how Miz got name dropped on AEW because CM Punk CM Punk called MJF like the Miz or something like that. The Miz because MJ MJF and Miz are very similar. M MJF is a little bit more hardcore than the Miz with when it takes to his character he goes a little bit more outside the box but he's less polished.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Yeah so CM Punk name like referenced MJF as the Miz and then I think like a week or so later Edge literally is told the Miz like you got people mentioning you on other shows or whatever the heck he said but then Edge is also the one that says uh oh you're just a wannabe rock the Ricky Starks dude oh my gosh yeah but see there's it's that those kind of comments yes you're talking about WWE because that's the only place the rock has been or only place the Miz has been but you're not directly taking a shot at WWE you're just referencing someone that happens to be working there yeah so there's the the IWC notion of if TK doesn't use someone then they're forgotten sucking catering blah blah blah blah blah and more so a couple years ago than now I think Triple H is starting to get that same rap to him but if he didn't use someone they're like oh just let them cook they're waiting on something let them cook yeah right like where's Ilya dragonov been in case like just waiting eight months for a good storyline who wait who is saying they're waiting on something let them cook uh a couple years ago right a couple years ago that was the normal for triple H for the WWE fans were saying oh just let triple H cook and now they're like okay yeah you're cooking like Minute Rice and you burnt it so right we don't want you to cook anymore let let him let him cook up something bloodline yeah let him cook up CM Punk let him cook up Cody come on Tommy start on the bloodline god now bloodline is well on its way to being the longest thing ever now for Tony Khan and AW like I was mentioning a little bit earlier with you really have to watch all their shows to see everybody because like dark order for example is like how much I actually enjoyed dark order when they were on dynamite every week when they were actually getting people to join them and running vignettes and things like that you really have to watch ring of honor now to see dark order. If you don't watch ring of honor you wouldn't even know that these guys are still being used but your your casual fan isn't gonna watch ring of honor most of the time that's what I'm that's what I'm saying which is similar which is similar to like Ivy Nile when I was like well where the heck is Ivy Nile she's been on main event the last month nobody watches that either and I wouldn't even have known but like it kind of sucks when you take somebody that that was putting in the work and and doing well on dynamite and then regulating them to roh it's kind of like taking a talent off the main roster and sending them back to NXT with no fanfare like not hyping it up that they're going to NXT.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

But you know it's like what bothers me the most like that we can use dark order dark order as an example because Preston Vance apparently is back with dark order. Oh no because he was with the faction called the Frat House and I guess they kicked him out and now Preston Vance is back with dark order. I think it's just John Silver and evil Uno. I don't know where Alex Reynolds has been I don't even think he's in AEW anymore.

SPEAKER_02 48:07

How many factions has Vance been in now?

SPEAKER_01 48:10

He was he's he's been back and forth with dude he was in uh oh my god what faction was that with like Drillistico and um yeah the Ignorablaze group for a little while yeah he was with them he went in the like then he randomly got they randomly stopped with that faction which I liked that faction because I like Drillistico um but they stopped that whole faction started a thing called the Frat House which I don't even know who the fuck is part of that faction now Preston Vance is back with Dark Order but what I was trying to say is Dark Order was one of the hottest things in AEW and they didn't win the trios titles they didn't win the tag team titles like why not john silver was one of the most over things at one point in AEW and they don't capitalize they capitalized the wrong time like John Silver well all of Dark Order are OGs to AEW they should have been tag team champions they should have like even if it was a month rain they should have like they want to give things to like Darby Allen and stuff like I do like Darby Allen I respect his grind for AEW but there's certain guys in that roster that do that don't get the same treatment. Unfortunately for Dark Order once uh Brody passed the they were never gonna get any further than they were I know but man they were doing so good especially even like when Hangman joined Dark Order for a little bit and that was really cool. I thought Dark Order was gonna get a push there and they didn't go anywhere with that. It's unfortunate it is I agree I'm not even a big Dark Order fan but I I was going to a lot of the AEW shows during COVID man and Dark Order was wrestling like five times a night because they had guys on the the AW Dark at the time they were when they were filming Dark.

SPEAKER_02 49:58

I saw them like five times a night they were also kind of then because they there wasn't a million factions.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

Yeah they were the first OG faction besides the elite they were like the only other faction right yeah and then now you got a bunch of factions and like what the hell everybody's in a faction is hurt business even being used at this point they've been they've been bad they've been back dude no oh no they're they are being used now Brooks they the hurt business and Shane Taylor promotions are combining oh so let's make a bigger faction yeah and guess guess corporate ministry them fuckers that's what guess who's a part of Shane Taylor promotions now freaking uh Tahuti Miles aka Sean T the Adonis again going back to the why are you signing some of these WWE guys you're signing him to be the 17th member in a super faction like that can we can can I mention how I I personally believe that MVP made things worse for Bobby Lashley really absolutely I think MVP's in his head and I think MVP is the reason that Bobby Lashley does not reach the potential that he should in the business.

SPEAKER_02 51:23

Do you think this is on screen or his behind the scenes running his mouth? Behind the scenes for sure okay yeah because I know he's been very vocal about Triple H and it's been been made very obvious that he's the one that got in Lashley's ear and was like you need to leave that place.

SPEAKER_00 51:41

Yeah and then you go to then you go to a w and you create the same faction I mean I guess you get a tag title but Lashley is a world title type guy right why is he not elevated in a W but then you heard the you heard the rumblings about them refusing to to lose right and then all of a sudden they're not even on TV anymore. You see them on collision maybe here and there but outside of that you don't see them at all.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

Yep it's crazy because in in WWE the hurt business was a a tool to get Lashley further up right while in AEW it's a tool to make sure MVP gets a paycheck. Right all right what we got next uh the mixed reactions to when or the difference between WWE releasing somebody and AEW releasing somebody when WWE makes releases it's always you know a negative reaction I can't believe they release these people you know they are always cutting people when AEW releases someone it's like eh doesn't matter they have no use for them it's fine and that one that one probably comes down to the how often and the quantity of the releases that WWE constantly has once or twice a year compared to AEW releasing a handful of people at most or per year.

SPEAKER_01 53:12

So I was gonna like you're the you're pretty spot on with that with that double standard but if you look at it look how many look how many um like talent is showcased every week between both shows for AEW and then if you look at the talent showcased between both shows for DW I think it's significantly higher with AEW how many at least even if they show up for a segment or a match include them all because at least they get them on TV. Yeah they get them on TV though it's a way to get them on TV so people can see it but with DW it's like they don't they're running the same 10 people on RAW how many people were used on Raw last night well what the triple H say are you more over than X?

SPEAKER_00 53:57

Are you more over than Y are you more popular than Z it's like okay they won't get there if you don't use them. Yeah dude get them on get them on TV but this is like how this subject kind of goes back to what we talked about with TNA before of they keep a small roster so everyone gets used like by having too many people you either a have them sitting catering doing nothing or B cut 500 people a year yeah because using them because everybody has the potential to get over if they are given the right platform. Look at Ludwig Kaiser right he would if he didn't get the O'Grande gimmick he probably would have been on the chopping block.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

Probably so and I mean I I know like they have dark matches they have main event they have ways that some of these people do get in front of the crowd to try to gauge the crowd interest for them but it's not enough it's not the same as being on television and and getting the crowd reaction plus the TV or the the viewers at home's reaction through social media that kind of stuff yeah agreed or you know bring back house shows so you can actually they've been they they've been doing some they've been doing not as not as frequent but it depends on where they go I guess. Yeah I can run some house shows I can go to an NXT house show this Saturday and see CM Punk.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

You should it'll probably be like 10-20 bucks right and punk will show up and probably hit freaking Lexus King with a GTS and send the crowd home happy but but it's like all right here's your house show here's your chance for these guys to get some development we're gonna put CM Punk on in bum fuck nowhere Petersburg Virginia right but hey they they'll come up for CM Punk though.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

Yeah I guess so I'm like I don't quite get why you're putting him on this show in the middle of nowhere in a fucking 3000 seat auditorium but okay whatever if if if Mance wants to go to a or go work an NXT show let him go work it.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

Alright what's our next one?

SPEAKER_02 56:11

Uh the difference in reactions to promo so AEW with the unscripted promos tends to go one way or the other it's either they're really really good or they're really messy and and fans will point that out while WWE promos it's always they're too scripted. So do you want the the potential messiness of an unscripted promo or the two cookie cutter scripted promo. Once again can we have a mix of the two right like there and we've heard it before about like DM Punk has the the freedom to go say what he wants. Kevin Owens has the freedom to get bullet points but then make it what he wants to make it so they there is some freedom there for certain talents.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

But the other talents if you don't give them that the opportunity to just here's a couple bullet points go figure it out then how are they gonna learn right like fatal influence for example right you know I'm a fan of the trio but when they care but when they come in and they cut promos JC's always the lead in right and then uh what's oh my not Fallon but the other one what's the other one's name uh JC Fallon Ryan what's the other one's name JC Fallon you don't Laney Reed. Yeah Laney whatever so JC will always do the lead in and then Laney will get like two lines and then Fallon will come in and clean up the the promo but it's always like oh JC will say something and then Laney's like yeah because blah blah blah and then Fallon will come in and close it with like her own like couple lines and it's like why can't things just be like organic sometimes like if JC has something important to say I know she's the leader of the group so she's always gonna have something to say but sometimes the other two can lead it doesn't always have to be so such a formula where it's like A B C. I see and that ranges all the way back to like the DX days of Triple H is the one that's running the promos and then Xbox says a couple lines and then Billy Gunn and if you're not down with that was all he was allowed to say right they're like it worked there we'll just keep that going forever but but then on the aw side you have it on the other extreme Don Callis family right Don Callis will come out and he'll talk for most of the promo and then Kyle Fletcher may say a couple lines or Kevin Knight may say a couple lines but the other 10 people behind him don't say a word.

SPEAKER_01 59:07

Okada dude I was reading something about like Okada's run and it says like he hasn't had any main event matches he's had he's won like a title or two and then he just says be says bitch a lot or whatever oh my god now now I do enjoy my fair share of cinematic promos because I did enjoy those types of promos in like lucha underground I think those are nice sometimes it gives it gives you an opportunity to see some personality um like solo right now yeah well solo does it off the cuff though yeah I'll say it's clear to me that they're they have loosened the reins on solo now that his face yeah you can tell because he's killing it right like that shit on Ross uh here's your warning shot cracks me up yeah but I just like something in between a mix of the two for me personally it's to me the the formula they use with KO of here's your bullet points make sure you hit all these but make it your own then then that gives them the freedom to make their own promo as long as they touch those points.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

Probably touch those points is up to them. So it that that's to me the probably the better way of doing it and I'm sure AEW does actually give them like hey we need you to talk about this but it seems like some of the talent may not ever get to the actual point of what the promo's for yeah I mean MJF is a great example over there of just nine times out of ten he's gonna knock the promo out of the park but he knows how to talk.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

See and I'm I'm kind of upset that you know hangman can't challenge for the belt anymore because those are like those are legendary promo exchanges between him and MJF.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:13

He's it's okay or Adam Page has become like a 30 time trios champion. Oh gosh don't even talk about it all right on to the next one uh the difference in reactions to like if WWE does something uh silly goofy whatever it's like oh we're tired of the sports entertainment crap but when AEW does it it's oh wrestling is a mix of things it's supposed to be fun for everybody now this one for me definitely comes down to how much it's used right so like an example that that when I thought of this one I was trying to think of examples and one that somebody else had actually put online was that uh Orange Cassidy doing something and they're like oh you know this is this is wrestling is a mix it's supposed to be you know great for everybody blah blah blah blah blah and then the WWE fans of it are like oh yeah this is dumb this is too goofy whatever meanwhile those same WWE fans are like our truth is a national treasure right so that one kind of goes both ways where the double standard just depends on which side you're on yeah you can attack each other this whole the the same or the over the same things that is that is like neither you say that literally Orange Cassidy and our truth are the same character but they do different things a little tamer yeah but if you think about it they both bring the the entertainment to wrestling when it comes to like their their characters I didn't think about that until you just said I'm like wow that makes sense because like I've I've hated the Orange Cassidy character. I mean I I I've enjoyed it but it's like now it's like the same thing over and over again we know what he's gonna do. He's gonna do the the the little kicks everyone and then he's gonna do the super kick the little mini super kick he does and he goes in his pockets and then he does and then he rips his pockets out sometimes or whoever does it some people would rip his pockets out or whatever like we know it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:18

And and ultimately I think that comes down to like the presentation in terms of you know exactly what Orange Cassidy's going to do. He's got the same shtick all the time and then he's gonna turn it on you're expected to take him as a serious competitor while you never know what the hell our truth's gonna say or but you also aren't expecting him to go out there and be serious in the ring either he is going to win matches but it's not gonna be a super serious oh we need to take him as like a serious contender kind of thing it's the you're in the comedy lane you're gonna stay in this comedy lane while on Cassidy's end is you're in the comedy lane until we don't want you to be anymore. And then then then we're expected to flip a switch and immediately think you're serious.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:01

And and I'd be totally cool if like R Truth played his character the way he plays his character everybody loves R Truth right so that is your little piece of entertainment but then you also have Danhausen I'd say that's the other thing there's there's a too much of the comedy sometimes right and then you have respected veterans like the Miz who have to uh play into that like silly like Danhausen stuff I guess he's not possessed anymore he's not cursed anymore whatever I don't know uh but yeah like you said it's just too much of it whereas with when Orange Cassidy does his thing Orange Cassidy can still have a really solid match on top of the entertainment but you know after Orange Cassidy goes through the curtain there's just more and more just straight action coming behind him. WWE side you're probably getting a couple promos some ads and a bunch of other crap so a random a random uh mugs root beer yeah a blimp uh a promo for a UFC fight uh Corey Graves talking shit about big cass I want to know I want to know big cass comes back right and this is his first week back and he does the attack on who did he attack the first week was it to Javon Javon okay he attacks Javon and pushed Javon into this like bear hug into a sidewalk slam how did Michael Cole already know the name of the move he used to do that before he used to do like they uh he did a move before and it was called the Red River crossing whatever it was he did it where big cross or god not big cross big cass did um he did it like an NXT or when he turned heel against enzo he he was doing that he was doing um I remember the sidewalk he wasn't doing he that's what they called his sidewalk slam okay okay the Red River crossing whatever they he just added the bear hug to it and yeah for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:21

I see okay yeah because like when Cole mentioned that I'm like that's that name is mentioned before I remember because that's what they called his sidewalk slam.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:31

But I guess you can also throw it in there as as they've kind of shown that Michael Cole keeps up with wrestling outside of WWE. So maybe he's just smart enough to know like oh I've seen him do this that in other places they call it this Michael Cole ain't watching no other companies he's getting notes I I know somebody's feeding the information to him through the headset but he uh he will he's at least the one that goes out there and is like oh this guy competed in New Japan or this guy is a former this champion and this champion so they at least try to portray him on TV as someone that knows about their previous history.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:05

Yeah meanwhile in NXT you know who that is you're like no why don't you enlighten us tell us who that is who Mike Santana is tell me I definitely didn't just see him on NXT a month ago but uh that's that's all my uh double standard topics sounds good all right guys I love doing this episode 30 is a mile a mini milestone for us correct love it a gold star for everybody yay but all right guys thanks for listening we do appreciate you on behalf of the three marks Shay Brooks Ryan out of here gold star for Shay not thank you for watching later marks